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		<title>By: cindyinsd</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Oct 2008 04:09:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Tony

Thanks for stopping by, and don&#039;t hesitate to let me know what you think as you read through the other reviews. I&#039;d love to hear your take on things.

BTW, my family is now reading through Reimagining Church, which you should pick up along with Pagan Christianity, if you decide to buy that. The two go together. In fact, if you were to get only one of them, I&#039;d say get Reimagining Church, as it&#039;s the constructive side.

God bless, and I hope to hear more from you,

Cindy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Tony</p>
<p>Thanks for stopping by, and don&#8217;t hesitate to let me know what you think as you read through the other reviews. I&#8217;d love to hear your take on things.</p>
<p>BTW, my family is now reading through Reimagining Church, which you should pick up along with Pagan Christianity, if you decide to buy that. The two go together. In fact, if you were to get only one of them, I&#8217;d say get Reimagining Church, as it&#8217;s the constructive side.</p>
<p>God bless, and I hope to hear more from you,</p>
<p>Cindy</p>
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		<title>By: tonyyork</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 20:51:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will be back to read more on your posts and to finish this one.  I am currently looking at some of these same topics and may have to pick up the book you mention here in your blog.

Its tough to start asking questions that go against the norm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be back to read more on your posts and to finish this one.  I am currently looking at some of these same topics and may have to pick up the book you mention here in your blog.</p>
<p>Its tough to start asking questions that go against the norm.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take back what I said about not usually laughing during worship or the sermon.  Pastor usually does have something funny to say here &amp; there, &amp; we do laugh.

And sometimes during worship, something funny will happen, like the organist &amp; piano player not being in sync or one singing the wrong verse, &amp; we laugh along with them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take back what I said about not usually laughing during worship or the sermon.  Pastor usually does have something funny to say here &amp; there, &amp; we do laugh.</p>
<p>And sometimes during worship, something funny will happen, like the organist &amp; piano player not being in sync or one singing the wrong verse, &amp; we laugh along with them.</p>
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		<title>By: cindyinsd</title>
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		<dc:creator>cindyinsd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 20:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What an encouraging story, Kathy. Thanks for sharing it. I&#039;m sure you treasure your church, and you should, because a church like that is hard to find. I&#039;m so happy for you--really--not jealous at all. ;)

Anybody else have a &quot;church story&quot; like Kathy&#039;s?

Cindy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an encouraging story, Kathy. Thanks for sharing it. I&#8217;m sure you treasure your church, and you should, because a church like that is hard to find. I&#8217;m so happy for you&#8211;really&#8211;not jealous at all. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Anybody else have a &#8220;church story&#8221; like Kathy&#8217;s?</p>
<p>Cindy</p>
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		<title>By: Karen O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are an Assembly of God, a Pentecostal church, though not in the stereotypical way (we&#039;re pretty calm compared to some others).  We&#039;re also a very small congregation at this point, &amp; we truly feel like family.  Of course, we &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; family!

My pastor is quite a humble, sincere man of God.  His love for the Lord, &amp; desire to please Him, are so very apparent.  His wife, Marilyn, is one of my best friends as well as being my mentor (in an &quot;unofficial&quot; but natural way).

As I said, we are family, which gives us an informal feel, with lots of laughter &amp; joking around, though not usually during worship or the sermon.  However, a couple weeks ago, an older lady, Nancy, started laughing during the sermon.  She was trying to be quiet &amp; stop laughing but she couldn&#039;t.

Seeing this, Pastor was amused &amp; asked her what was so funny.  It turns out that his mention a few minutes earlier about the young man who fell asleep while Paul was talking &amp; fell out a window had just hit her as incredibly funny. We all laughed with her.

I&#039;d invite you to stop by, but Connecticut is quite a commute from South Dakota!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are an Assembly of God, a Pentecostal church, though not in the stereotypical way (we&#8217;re pretty calm compared to some others).  We&#8217;re also a very small congregation at this point, &amp; we truly feel like family.  Of course, we <i>are</i> family!</p>
<p>My pastor is quite a humble, sincere man of God.  His love for the Lord, &amp; desire to please Him, are so very apparent.  His wife, Marilyn, is one of my best friends as well as being my mentor (in an &#8220;unofficial&#8221; but natural way).</p>
<p>As I said, we are family, which gives us an informal feel, with lots of laughter &amp; joking around, though not usually during worship or the sermon.  However, a couple weeks ago, an older lady, Nancy, started laughing during the sermon.  She was trying to be quiet &amp; stop laughing but she couldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Seeing this, Pastor was amused &amp; asked her what was so funny.  It turns out that his mention a few minutes earlier about the young man who fell asleep while Paul was talking &amp; fell out a window had just hit her as incredibly funny. We all laughed with her.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d invite you to stop by, but Connecticut is quite a commute from South Dakota!</p>
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		<title>By: cindyinsd</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Karen

 I&#039;d have to read back through my posts myself to answer your question. But yes, I&#039;d most likely change some things whether I&#039;d read PC or not, and likely would change some things because of having read it. They are, after all, just my musings and my take on things, which is always subject to change. I&#039;ll have to look through them and see what I said.

Your church sounds like an interesting place. The closest I might come to something like that would be my church in Custer, before they bought the building, but I wouldn&#039;t go as far as you have in describing it. The pastor there even tried, in some more informal meetings (post building) to get people to share, but it didn&#039;t really &quot;take.&quot; Maybe it would have, if we&#039;d done it more regularly.

Anyway, tell me about your church. I&#039;d like to hear more.

God bless,

Cindy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Karen</p>
<p> I&#8217;d have to read back through my posts myself to answer your question. But yes, I&#8217;d most likely change some things whether I&#8217;d read PC or not, and likely would change some things because of having read it. They are, after all, just my musings and my take on things, which is always subject to change. I&#8217;ll have to look through them and see what I said.</p>
<p>Your church sounds like an interesting place. The closest I might come to something like that would be my church in Custer, before they bought the building, but I wouldn&#8217;t go as far as you have in describing it. The pastor there even tried, in some more informal meetings (post building) to get people to share, but it didn&#8217;t really &#8220;take.&#8221; Maybe it would have, if we&#8217;d done it more regularly.</p>
<p>Anyway, tell me about your church. I&#8217;d like to hear more.</p>
<p>God bless,</p>
<p>Cindy</p>
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		<title>By: Karen O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 14:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cindy, when I read &lt;i&gt;&quot;I can’t see any pastors I know opening up each and every church meeting (or even one meeting) for the free-flowing ministry of the Spirit through the congregation to take place. Can you blame them? It wouldn’t work. Congregants would be puzzled–wouldn’t know what to do–and they would therefore do nothing but sit. How awkward.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;, I chuckled a bit.

Our congregation is full of people who love to share a scripture, a testimony, or an exhortation, or lead out in a song.  I think we&#039;d do pretty well if we tried to &quot;go organic&quot;, so to speak.

I wrote on Pauline&#039;s blog about how our church has been changing little by little over the years, &amp; seems open to changing the status quo.

A question for you - Now that you are reading &lt;i&gt;Pagan Christianity&lt;/i&gt; (which I just started reading), would you change anything you wrote in your posts on I Corinthians?

(I&#039;ve been reading through those posts a little at a time.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cindy, when I read <i>&#8220;I can’t see any pastors I know opening up each and every church meeting (or even one meeting) for the free-flowing ministry of the Spirit through the congregation to take place. Can you blame them? It wouldn’t work. Congregants would be puzzled–wouldn’t know what to do–and they would therefore do nothing but sit. How awkward.&#8221;</i>, I chuckled a bit.</p>
<p>Our congregation is full of people who love to share a scripture, a testimony, or an exhortation, or lead out in a song.  I think we&#8217;d do pretty well if we tried to &#8220;go organic&#8221;, so to speak.</p>
<p>I wrote on Pauline&#8217;s blog about how our church has been changing little by little over the years, &amp; seems open to changing the status quo.</p>
<p>A question for you &#8211; Now that you are reading <i>Pagan Christianity</i> (which I just started reading), would you change anything you wrote in your posts on I Corinthians?</p>
<p>(I&#8217;ve been reading through those posts a little at a time.)</p>
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		<title>By: pantheophany</title>
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		<dc:creator>pantheophany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks a lot; I&#039;ve added both to my reading list. Most of my studies in church history have focused on the early church (first through third centuries) and Jewish history up to that point, but I&#039;ve grown more interested of late in later church history and particularly the Reformation, Counter Reformation and the rise of Protestantism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks a lot; I&#8217;ve added both to my reading list. Most of my studies in church history have focused on the early church (first through third centuries) and Jewish history up to that point, but I&#8217;ve grown more interested of late in later church history and particularly the Reformation, Counter Reformation and the rise of Protestantism.</p>
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		<title>By: cindyinsd</title>
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		<dc:creator>cindyinsd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Pan

It&#039;s a long story, which is why I skimmed over it--extremely interesting, but long. ;) Pretty much the main point of both &lt;i&gt;Pagan Christianity&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Reimagining Church&lt;/i&gt; is that the effective priesthood of all believers (not just in word but in practice) has been lost to a progression of adopted pagan practices.

Protestants replaced the clerical priests with pastors (preachers) because they, in attempting to take the church back to its foundations, went only as far as the &quot;early fathers,&quot; who wrote their works during the time when the sermon, brought in by the Greek orators, had become the prominent feature of the church gathering. It was later that the Eucharist came into its central position.

If you&#039;re interested in reading the history, you could do worse than to pick up a copy of this book. It&#039;s nice to see you again, Pan. Take care.

God bless,

Cindy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Pan</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a long story, which is why I skimmed over it&#8211;extremely interesting, but long. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  Pretty much the main point of both <i>Pagan Christianity</i> and <i>Reimagining Church</i> is that the effective priesthood of all believers (not just in word but in practice) has been lost to a progression of adopted pagan practices.</p>
<p>Protestants replaced the clerical priests with pastors (preachers) because they, in attempting to take the church back to its foundations, went only as far as the &#8220;early fathers,&#8221; who wrote their works during the time when the sermon, brought in by the Greek orators, had become the prominent feature of the church gathering. It was later that the Eucharist came into its central position.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re interested in reading the history, you could do worse than to pick up a copy of this book. It&#8217;s nice to see you again, Pan. Take care.</p>
<p>God bless,</p>
<p>Cindy</p>
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		<title>By: pantheophany</title>
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		<dc:creator>pantheophany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting discussion. Your post captures a difference between modern and ancient churches, but does the book discuss the transition? Why did the early church become priest-centric (or was it always)? And why did Protestants replace the priests with pastors and sermons? I can guess, but I&#039;d be love to read some of the actual history.

Growing up Protestant and marrying a Catholic, I&#039;m always interested in the difference of view about sermons. To me, a good church service is defined by the sermon; everything else is decoration around it. My family sought out churches with scholarly, well-spoken pastors. But when I attend a Catholic Mass, and I&#039;ve heard this same thing from my wife and Catholic friends, the homily/sermon is just a minor thing that decorates the true purpose of the service: the Eucharist. So some of the differences may be less between modern and ancient, and rather be uniquely Protestant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting discussion. Your post captures a difference between modern and ancient churches, but does the book discuss the transition? Why did the early church become priest-centric (or was it always)? And why did Protestants replace the priests with pastors and sermons? I can guess, but I&#8217;d be love to read some of the actual history.</p>
<p>Growing up Protestant and marrying a Catholic, I&#8217;m always interested in the difference of view about sermons. To me, a good church service is defined by the sermon; everything else is decoration around it. My family sought out churches with scholarly, well-spoken pastors. But when I attend a Catholic Mass, and I&#8217;ve heard this same thing from my wife and Catholic friends, the homily/sermon is just a minor thing that decorates the true purpose of the service: the Eucharist. So some of the differences may be less between modern and ancient, and rather be uniquely Protestant.</p>
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